Podcast - Episode 5: Neck Injury and Chronic Pain leads to empathy and a career of helping others.

EPISODE SUMMARY
Guest: Dr. Drew Hall

In this episode, Dr. Drew Hall, a  leader within the Upper Cervical Chiropractic profession, tells stories of how he used his own fight against chronic pain and his naturally driven personality to help thousands with their health. He has built three successful Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractic practices in Los Angeles and Sarasota and led the Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractic Society in its vision of “Blair to the World”. He talks about working with mentors and shares some of his favorite recovery stories that he has personally seen in his practice.

  • At the age of 17, he was wrestling with a friend and was dropped on his head. He heard a crack. After a few months, he started having headaches and comprehension issues, and a lot of other chronic problems such as depression and anxiety, etc. All of this went on for 2.5 years.In college, at age 19, he started having suicidal thoughts. He then found a Homeopathic Doctor who recommended a Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractor named Dr. Tom Forest

  • He was scared of what he thought “normal” chiropractors do (popping and cracking), but the Dr. Forest explained how Blair Chiropractic is different. He decided to go give it a try and got his first adjustment, and began healing.

  • Now he’s a Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractor!I definitely wasn't an empathetic person before. Having had been sick and had that happen to me, yes, it made me really empathetic and realize that people don't feel bad because it's just all in their head. If it was just all in their head, they would be able to get themselves out of it. Dr. Hall tells his patients that in order to be a doctor, a prerequisite should be have to be sick yourself first because you'll have a different perspective with these types of cases.

  • Dr. Hall calls himself the last-ditch doctor. His patients, generally speaking, have had chronic conditions for the long term, and they've been from doctor to doctor, and no one's been able to help them. He especially loves taking care of babies and children.

To Contact Dr. Drew Hall in Sarasota: :https://sarasotauppercervical.com/contact

If you want to look for a Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractor near you, go to https://www.blairchiropractic.com/locate-upper-cervical-blair-chiropractic-doctor/

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

It connects you to people. People know where they're full crap or not. They're automatically they, "Oh, he's been there." That sets them at ease. Then if you can just communicate the message properly where they can digest it.

That's it. Welcome, welcome, welcome to What Pain in the Neck, the podcast. My guest today, I am so excited and happy to have him on. This is a person who now is a top-of-the-line upper cervical doctor. I feel like my claim to fame is I knew him when he was not a doctor and back in the day when we were both young and inexperienced. I just feel like our guest today became the brother I never had, the brother from another mother. It's like, okay, my guest today is that for me. I'm really, really pleased to have Dr. Drew Hall on the program today. Welcome.

Thank you, Ruth Ellen, glad to be here.

I'm just going to dive right into our background story a little bit. When we met, we were just two sick suffering people seeking help.

Yes.

Can you just talk a little bit about that?

Well, I'm not going to tell the entire story because my story might take the whole hour. I'll try and condense it. My upper cervical story started about age 17. I was in high school and was on the baseball team. Like boys do after practice sometimes, I got in a wrestling match with a good buddy of mine and I was losing. He had me upside down from about two and a half feet off the ground. Not on purpose but he lost his grip on me and dropped me flat on my head. When I landed, [cracking noise] I heard at the bottom of my skull and, of course, the next thing that flashed through my mind was, "Oh my God, I hope I'm not paralyzed."

I wiggled my toes. I could feel my toes and I rolled over and I stood up. I wasn't paralyzed. I figured nothing happened because being a boy, I did a lot of crazy dumb things growing up. Went through the rest of the day, went to sleep, literally never gave it another thought. It wasn't until several months later, I started having off-and-on headaches and I started noticing in school reading, I was having a little difficulty with comprehension, which wasn't that way before. A couple nights a week, I started taking three hours to fall asleep at night. Then I started getting headaches right at the base of the skull. I started having episodes of depression.

Four months later, my sinuses were completely swollen shut. Then as time went by, all those things I just told you, they became chronic where there was no up and down. It was daily. For anyone out there listening, you know that if you've been chronically sick, it's one thing to feel off-and-on bed. It's another thing when every single day you know exactly go to bed, you know what the next day is going to bring and that gets wearing emotionally and physically. As time went on, I started having depression. Then I started having anxiety because I was like, "Oh my God, I'm 18. Is this the rest of my life? How do I get out of this?"

Now, many years later, you obviously did find your way out of it. Why don't you describe the path of finding a way out?

Fast forward another year from where I just ended up.

You had a year of all of this?

No, I had two and a half years.

Of total misery.

Misery. I tend to be a positive person. I kept daily saying, "Ah, it'll eventually go away." I actually never told anyone and like a lot of people that end up in our offices, I didn't look sick, so no one would have been, "Oh my God, Drew. What's wrong with you?"

Let's take a hold of that. What was it like to live like that?

It's isolating. I'm glad I went through what I went through because generally speaking, probably half the patients that come in my office were in the boat that I was in.

You can empathize and really, truly understand it.

I definitely wasn't a empathetic person before. Having had been sick and had that happen to me, yes, it made me really empathetic and realize that people don't feel bad because it's just all in their head. If it was just all in their head, they would be able to get themselves out of it.

Nobody makes up that kind of thing.

No. To make a really long story short, I basically got to a point. I was in college. I was walking to my truck after school, and this was this fork in the road. I had the thought, "If I have to live like this for two more years, I'm just going to kill myself." When you're 19 years old and you have an involuntary-type suicidal thought, that's a little sobering. That caught my attention like, "Oh my God, I better do something."

I'm glad you had that thought, that last thought.

As you know, that's what chronic pain, that's what chronic symptomology does to you. iIt steals everything from you. No one understood what I was going through. My parents were super supportive, thank God. We did what most Americans would do. We went from doctor to doctor to doctor, and I was told it was all in my head. Thank God through a long circuitous route, I got to a homeopathic doctor who referred me to a Blair Upper Cervical chiropractor in the San Francisco, Bay Area, Dr. Tom Forest. Like many of you listening out there, you may be like, "Oh my God, a chiropractor." The first thing that pops through your mind is someone taking your head and twisting it to the left and the right, and I was one of those people that that scared the hell out of me.

When I was told to see a chiropractor, my first thing I said to the homeopath was, "Dr. Stratford, I'm willing to do anything, but I don't want anyone taking my head and twisting it left and right because that freaks me out." She replied, "Drew, what you think of as chiropractic is not what Dr. Forest does. There's no twisting, there's no popping, and there's no pulling. He's the best in the whole San Francisco Bay area. I send all of my worst cases to him and he solves almost all of them. Go."

Oh, that's confidence.

Looking back, I'm super grateful that she was very forceful because I definitely wouldn't have gone. The fact that he didn't twist and pop and pull the neck, and that she acted like he was Jesus, I was like, "What do I have to lose?" [laughs]

All right. You started [unintelligible 00:06:33].

I went home, told my mom. He was 35 minutes from the house, so my mom says, "Well, there's 20 chiropractors in [unintelligible 00:06:42] Creek. Why don't you just go see one of them?"

That's a valid point.

Dr. Stratford, she made it clear enough that whatever-- I knew nothing really about chiropractic, but she made it very clear that there was a difference between not only what he was doing technique-wise, but that he was the best at it. When my mom said that, and so I said, "Mom, Dr. Stratford was very emphatic about the fact that he was the guy. I want to follow her recommendation because it was a glowing one." We made an appointment, drove 35 minutes down to Dr. Forest's office.

To be completely honest with you, I didn't think it was going to do anything. Again, for those of you out there who have been sick and you've been from doctor to doctor to doctor, you start to lose hope, you get jaded. It wasn't even my money. It was my parents'. I didn't really know what he did, but I didn't think it was going to do anything. Anyway, I stepped foot in his office and I don't know how quite to put this from a philosophical or intuitive point. I walked through the door and I had this very settled, calm, peaceful feeling. I felt like I feel like I'm in the right place.

That's cool.

Dr. Forrst steps in. He went over my history, of course. He explained what upper cervical was. After he explained what it was and how he could help, I was sold because I've always said upper cervical makes complete and total sense. The only variable is whether the doctor gets the interference clear, which allows your body to heal, and he sure as hell did. [laughs]

You used some big words there. I feel like that's my gift, is to--

Dumb it down?

Yes. Words like interference, that just rolls off your tongue. In plain English, can you translate what you just said?

Yes. The brain and the brain stem, which is a structure that exits the bottom of the skull into the C1 and 2, which are the top two vertebrae in the neck. The brainstem is the basically control center that you don't consciously think about that controls everything in the body. Then below that, you have the spinal cord. I put it like this to patients, "Your brain, your brain stem, and your spinal cord are the seat of control for every cell's function in your body. If you have a structural misalignment from an injury, like I had, the headway--"

A structural misalignment is what? It's a bone that's moved a tiny bit.

Structurally is misaligned off the joint and it's irritating the cord and causing your body not to work as well as it should.

All right. One of the vertebrae in the neck--

In my case, it was more than one, but-- [chuckles]

Actually, that was my case too. You saw Dr. Forest and he explained it. He adjusted you and you started to heal. I feel like Dr. Forest, what you do in your office in Sarasota these days, what we do at the Blair Clinic is we see a bunch of chronic complicated conditions. I was a chronic complicated condition, a neuro chronic complicated condition. Sometimes chronic complicated conditions are complicated. Can you elaborate a little bit? That's, I think, what connected the two of us. Can you tell that story?

Yes. I mean, generally speaking, people who end up in upper cervical offices, I call myself the last ditch doctor, and most upper cervical doctors could probably identify with that because most people end up in our office don't come as us being their first doctor, and they don't come with their neck hurting a little bit. They generally speak and have had chronic conditions for long term and they've been from doctor to doctor and no one's been able to help them.

I think maybe what you're getting at is it we make one correction that everything's gone, the person walks out the door and their life is great. Of course not. Getting sick is a process. It doesn't happen overnight. It happens over time of having a structural interference that's interfering with the nervous system over time causing the body not to work right, and then eventually that expresses itself as any number of basket of symptoms that people come in with. Reversing that, our goal is to specifically locate where you have a misalignment.

It's usually the top vertebra, but it can be others. We want to know exactly what direction's off and we want to correct it. In doing so, what actually allows your body to heal is that vertebra that was locked and irritating the nervous system getting back where it should be and staying there, and over time of there being no interference, that's what allows the body to go through the healing recovery process. It isn't overnight. There are many twists and turns. It's up and down. Natural healing takes time. It's not like swallowing a Vicodin, your headache goes away. Your body's actually got to rebuild reheal, but it's worth going through because of the other end of it, 'youre a better person health-wise.

Yes. You don't have to just keep covering it up. Then sometimes it also involves maybe a little bit of collaboration between doctors.

Yes. When I was in California, I had Doctor [unintelligible 00:12:04], who's unfortunately no longer with us, 20 minutes south of me. I don't care how good you are as a doctor, you're never going to hit a hundred percent. If I knew that I was going to get the job done, sometimes I'd send them down to Doctor [unintelligible 00:12:16].

Yes. Dr. Forrest did the same with you.

I think the big thing, being a doctor, you got to get your ego out the way and realize it's not about you. It's about that patient in front of you. If great, we do help the grand majority, but if you're not, it's good to have people around you that you can send them to that can maybe do a better job than you did.

Yes, and, Drew, really that's why, Dr. Hall, I have to remember that. That is why I wanted to have you on because you're all about helping people. Tell us about your journey from getting help to helping others.

Well, there's the getting corrected yourself and going through that experience of healing. Then there's seeing your family that you got under care do better and then you see all these different conditions do better. You start sending your neighborhood friends and in doing that, I saw a lot of different people get better. I wasn't a chiropractor at the time. I was like, "My gosh, Dr. Forest was like Jesus. Everyone I send to him, they get better. What the heck?" Then you step into going to school and you graduate and so you know that upper cervical works, but then you as a doctor, you have to transition and can I do that to other people because at least I recognized that Dr. Force was talented. I knew he was doing something unique. I knew he was really good at it.

I knew he put in a lot of time and hours into practice and transitioning to doctor, oh, we'll just go right down this road. My fourth patient in clinic was a guy from World War II. He was deaf in World War II. What was that? It was two 2001. 57 years he was deaf and this is getting to the point, can you do it yourself? I adjust this guy and I left him on the table and I walked out of the room and I came back 10 minutes later and when I opened the door, he is like, "Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God." I'm like, "Oh my God. What did I do to this guy?"

[laughter]

The next thing I'm all, "What's wrong?" He says, "My hearing's back. I could hear you coming down the hallway." As a young doctor, and I know to some of you out there that may seem like pie in the sky and crazy, but I can go through a neurological dissertation about how that happened, but I won't on this podcast. When you start laying your hands on people and you start seeing people's objective tests clear that show they're clear, and all these different conditions they have start resolving then that, as a doctor, gives you confidence and makes you want to do better and be more precise, and practice, and keep learning because the fact of the matter is Dr. Muncy, who is one of my mentors, he said, "I don't care how much time you put into this, you will never master it."

There's always going to be complicating factors and different things that are going on with patients and he also said, "Everyone that comes into my office, I take care of them like they're my brother or my sister or my mom."

He also said, "You never stop learning."

Yes, that's true. I've been at this 21 years and sometimes you think you got it all figured out and then a couple patients come in and throw you a curve ball and you get back at it. [chuckles].

Then that motivates you to continue to learn and be better still. Right?

Yes, for sure.

Yes. You got right into it. You got great results right away and you really were going after it hustling, smart business person in addition to your heart of helping people and you built not one but was it two or was it more than that?

Two. Well, now three. [chuckles]

Three practices in Los Angeles. Is there something you want to tell our listeners about that before I take it to the next step?

A lot of people would say, "Drew, how'd you build a practice so quickly?" To be completely honest, I didn't really know because I was just doing my thing. I felt like a upper cervical chiropractic evangelist because it saved my life.

It's pretty much what you were. I knew you better back then.

I was not afraid to go stand in front of a grocery store and talk to people like a lot of people are, but I wanted to reach people that would never otherwise find out about upper cervical. Getting back to people would ask me how'd you build a practice so quickly and so it's that--

That's what I love about you. You have this tornado part of your personality. Then your voice goes in and I see the care in your eyes and you really, really, really care.

Yes. I'm miserable if patients don't do better mainly because what if that was me? What if I went to someone who was careless and didn't get the job done? Then I would've thought upper cervical is BS and I would've never gotten better. The truth is, in upper cervical offices there's people we have come in every office throughout this country that literally come into our office and if you get the job done, you're saving them from killing themselves. That happens every month in my office. When you understand the gravity of what an upper neck misalignment can do to someone, and this is a tricky thing, so you got to be on point and you got to be good to get it at a higher percentage of times.

Yes. Which you do and that's obviously part of your success.

Yes. If you don't get results, people don't care how charismatic and good of an explainer you are. The bottom line is the result.

Yes. Obviously, that's why your practice has exploded because people got well and then they told others, and then they told others.

That's the way it works.

Yes. Here you are and you're a young successful guy.

I don't know if I'm that young. [laughs]

Not anymore.

Oh, okay.

I'm talking about where we're picking up the story. You and I were young once when, but anyway we're not as young as we were. Where we're picking up the story is your businesses are exploding in Los Angeles. You're successful. You're helping people. You're supporting your family. You're raising a young family. A lot of people would say, "Well, you made it. You're on the top." You just decided, "Well, Los Angeles isn't enough for me." For 10 years, you led the Blair Society and you came up with--

12. [laughs]

Was it 12?

12 years.

Oh my goodness. I had the wrong--

I think. maybe I'm wrong. [chuckles]

Yes. It was a long time.

Felt like 12. [chuckles]

That is a long, long time. I think you came up with the slogan, "The Blair Society is where Blair Upper Cervical doctors collaborate and make sure that it's consistent quality across the country," and thanks to you, across the world, you came up with, "Blair to the world." Right?

Yes. I'm always coming up with slogans. [chuckles]

Yes. What motivated you to-- When you were that successful you had a young family and what was it about it that's--

I mean, everything comes back to my story. It saved my life. When you realize you have 120 Blair doctors. Let's say they can see 200 people a week. That's not very many people. There's, what, 6 billion people on this planet. I'll give credit to Dr. Michael Lenarz. I was the president of the society, but we had our first strategic planning retreat and he was more. advanced in strategic planning and core values and mission statements. As a board we came up with mission statement, vision statement, core values at that time. That's where a lot of that came from but Blair to the world, I don't know. It's just a necessary thing. It needs to be in the world.

Yes and I agree with that. As someone who is not from America, where 99.9% of the Blair doctors are, that really does break my heart and I'm really one who--

Well, the exciting part is we've got people in Australia and New Zealand and Belgium, and I think there's still someone in Italy. It's interesting. When you set a vision fourth, it starts to happen. We made that, what, that was 10 years ago and a lot of the things that we put on paper and that's part of what strategic planning is all about. It's about getting a group of people together and being united behind a vision and a mission and executing. I'm a big believer that if you have a focus of what you want to have happen in your life and you have the almighty behind you, things just happen.

Yes. Can I ask you, what's going on in your life these days? I know that you're no longer in Los Angeles.

Now, bringing Blair to the world has been quelled for a little bit, but once I get settled in,--

It's all about bringing Blair to Florida right now.

Sarasota, right now.

Yes. Okay.

I'll come back into the folds here once we get everything settled.

Yes. If you're going to help people, you have to take care of yourself first. You told us a really fantastic story of a World War II veteran getting his hearing back. Do you have a couple of other favorite stories?

Well, 10 years ago, I can't even remember the name of the podcast I was on with Paul Hambrick, who was another upper cervical doc. I can't remember the name of it, but every week we released something I think for two and a half years about stories. I could sit here and talk another 10 hours about stories. Here's one that just happened recently. I had a little boy come in, three years old.

He's got big dark circles under his eyes and he was diagnosed on the spectrum, but mild. If 10 is severe autism and 0 you're normal, he was about a 3.5, spoke maybe 10 words, didn't speak in sentences, had echolalia, which is where they repeat the same thing over and over and over and had tantrums and wasn't sleeping. Anyway, he came into the office and we got him corrected and second visit, you know what? He's paying more attention. He's calmer. He slept through the night. Anyway, about three weeks in, he's speaking 250 words. His tantrums are gone. In fact, I just saw him before he came here. Circles are gone under the eyes. He's still having some issues, but he's 80% better.

80% in three weeks?

Yes. Well, that's what's great about kids. They make us look good. I want to transition to my-- Actually, it just popped in my head. This is probably my favorite one from the last five years. The thing I love about kids is if you can get kids that have these problems that have upper neck problems and correct them when they're three, they're not going to have all the chronic problems that adults come in with because the adults that come into our office, generally speaking, if they're chronic for 10 years, their symptoms may have started 10 years ago, but the trauma that caused their problem happened 10, 20, sometimes 40 years ago and so being able to take care of kids and getting them clear so they don't have to go through those sorts of things in their future, is actually really rewarding.

250% agree.

Yes. That's part of the problem with our healthcare system. We don't really have a healthcare system. We have a disease treatment and management system. We generally teach people to wait until they get sick and once they get sick, they go to the doctor and they get a bunch of tests and then they name you. Then they don't ask why that name happened. They just throw drugs usually at that name. We have a crisis from a paradigm standpoint in healthcare because healthcare isn't, in my mind, a drug deficiency. It's a function deficiency.

Upper cervical doesn't have all those answers, but we should live in a system of healthcare if it was altruistic and actually interested in getting people better and keeping them better, we should be doing things not when you get sick, but we should look at the things that actually keep people well. Diet, exercise, sleep, nervous system. We should be doing as many of those things as we can before we're sick, so we don't get sick in the first place. Okay. Wait, I got to go back to my story.

Yes. I'm on pins and needles here.

Five years ago. I think it's about that long. Maybe it's four. This gal comes in and I've been taking care of, about 60 years old, and she whips out her phone and she says, "Dr. Hall, this is my granddaughter. Do you think I can help?" One eye is closed and paralyzed, and her head's canted off to one side. Then I started asking questions. I said, "Well, what's going on?" She's like, "Well, this is my granddaughter. She's 32 days old. Her eye's paralyzed. When one eye, the one that was good would track left and right the other one, which you could see through the very small slit that the eye was open, it wouldn't track. One eye was moving left and right. The other wasn't.

The neurologist told the mom and dad, first kid, imagine being your first kid, that your daughter's probably never going to be able to use the eye, and it's probably going to be paralyzed and there may be some other issues. She has torticollis and wheezing and wasn't breastfeeding and was pale. All the signs that things aren't doing well. Then I asked the grandmother, I said, "Do you know anything about the birth process?" She says, "Well, yes. She was a forceps delivery." In about one 10th of a second after that, I said, "I don't give a what you have to do. Get that kid in to see me," because vacuum extractions and forceps deliveries on average exert about 120 pounds of force between the neck and the atlas and that's the first place people are going to have trouble. Anyway, to make a really long story short, she--

On a, what, 5-pound baby?

Yes. They flew mom, dad, granddaughter down and as I always say, when people come in from out of state or fly, you better deliver the goods. [chuckles] You're always a little bit on edge. Adjusted this little girl and sent her home and literally five hours, and if you want to look at this, go to Dr. Drew Hall on TikTok. The video is on there with the pictures and everything and the story. Anyway, later that day, they send me a text. The little girl's eyes open about 50%, and literally within three days, full motion, color back in the face, head on straight, wheezing gone, breastfeeding like crazy just started.

She's starving.

Yes because many of you may know there's something called Apgar score. When a baby is born, they look at certain factors that talk about vitality, and one of them is your appetite. Skin palor. Are you pink or are you white? When you're white, you're not doing well. When your appetite isn't good, you're not doing well. That's not how kids are supposed to come out. It was one adjustment. She flew home. The kid's completely normal. That kid maybe never know what happened, but what does that do to the future of that little girl's life? The teasing she would've gone through, the proms, all those things that you mothers out there when you--

Maybe hospital stays.

That's just the health issues you got on top of that.

That is incredible. That's good.

Being able to impact not only adults but especially kids, that's where this should start. Just like you bring your kid to your well doctor visits and your dentist and all these things, everybody from birth to death should be checked for upper cervical misalignment period because it's one of the pillars of health.

One of the pillars of health. I agree.

Generally speaking, what happens because we've been educated down a certain road in this country, patients don't come in unless they feel bad. Part of that's human nature, but most of it is the way that we've been educated healthcare-wise.

Yes. I'm going to shift gears just a tiny bit. The person that feel like they're miserable and they're jaded, they're discouraged, they're dark because they're suffering, they're in pain, they've tried one thing after another, after another, after another, and it hasn't worked, and they've spent and feel like they've wasted a bunch of time and money, and they just don't know there's another thing and they're scared, they're terrified. They don't want to go on, but they're afraid that things won't work. It's dark. You know what that's like? What's your advice to that person?

My advice is if you don't keep trying, you won't find an answer. Giving up isn't an option if you want to get better. What I tell people is we have also been told, generally speaking in this country, that we're too stupid to figure anything out ourself, and we need to defer to a doctor who's much smarter than us. If anyone's been in that system, you sense that, that you don't really have a say. What I would say is educate yourself. Use your own brain. Listen to whatever you want to try next. Listen to the principle upon which it works and if it makes sense, and a big one for me is I say, trust your guts. Your gut usually doesn't lie.

Your brain and your gut together make a pretty good team.

For me, when I went in, Dr. Forest explained the principle of upper cervical. I was like, "That makes so much sense, but I was like, "Okay, prove it to me," because I can talk, talk, talk, he can talk, talk, talk all day long, but there's only one thing that changes people's mind and it's results. Thank God, upper cervical is good at delivering. This is where I always tell patients that in order to be a doctor, a prerequisite should be have to be sick yourself first because you'll have a different perspective with these types of cases.

Yes. That definitely is true. Again, that's why I have you on. Is there something that you would like to address that I haven't thought to ask you?

Well, since this podcast is aimed at helping people out there that were like you and I, God, how long ago? 30 years ago.

I'm pretty sure it was 1994, probably '95 by the time we--

My advice would be-

'96. It was 96.

-do not give up. I'm a big believer for every problem, there has to be a solution. Just because you haven't found it at this point, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I will just say this humbly, that there, in my opinion, is nothing as powerful as correcting the upper cervical spine with the upper cervical procedure in restoring people's health. If you haven't tried it, investigate it. You can get online and do a lot of research. There's lots of information out there and just learn about it.

Then, once it makes sense to you, my advice would be get into an upper cervical doctor. Most of us give free consultation. An exam, go in get checked. Get the explanation. Get your history taken. Listen to what the doc has. Then take a leap of faith and get corrected and see the magical power that lies inside of you for healing.

Two things. You said, do your own research. Can you get someone started because what you put into the Google engine can sometimes be difficult. Then after you've addressed that, if listeners want to come and see you or get a hold of you, tell them how.

First thing I would do, Blairchiropractic.com. You could look at it as a trade association that houses all the Blair Upper Cervical chiropractors. It's a good resource. You can find doctors throughout the country there. There's lots of information in there. Then you could even click on all the doctors in the database and go to their website because all of us have websites with different videos and information. You can go to my website, Dr. Drew Hall. Better yet, you can go to TikTok @drdrewhall. I have, I don't know 150 videos on there. You name it, it's on there, if you want to have any condition that exists and how it possibly can be connected to the upper cervical spine and the pathways are involved, and there's testimonies on there.

YouTube. Put in upper cervical chiropractic on YouTube. If you're suffering from a condition, put upper cervical chiropractic in vertigo, upper cervical chiropractic in Meniere's disease, post-concussion, and you'll see all sorts of real people telling their story how they recovered. Data is good, but seeing a person who's actually been there, you can tell whether they're full of it or not, and it's best from the horse's mouth that people have been living in the same condition you have that actually gotten better.

Well said. Again, that's what this podcast is all about. I like to ask all my guests that are on if they have a favorite quote, or life verse, or something like that.

Well, let's see. I think one of the most common things patients say after they're adjusted is, "That's it? How's that going to do anything?" One of my favorite quotes is, "The simple confounds the wise." Things that are super complex, oftentimes don't work. Things are simple, usually do. Upper cervical is really simple. If you have a vertebra that's locked out of its position, and it's impacting and interfering with the central nervous system, you're not going to work the way you're supposed to. If you can correct it, you're going to work better.

My last quote, which I'm proud of myself for coining, I don't know if I did or not. I always tell patients because they all come in on lots of medications. I say, "You don't have a drug deficiency. You have a function deficiency." Health problems are not the result of a lack of pharmaceutical medications in your bloodstream, even though sometimes they may be necessary and helpful, but if you really truly want to get well, you got to do things that remove blocks or interferences, and that can come in many capacities to the body's ability to function properly and you need to get them out of the way and then you need to give time to allow the body to heal itself.

Well said. Thank you so much for your time. I just have a feeling that if we have just helped one person today, that's what this is all about.

Well, our goal is Blair Upper Cervical chiropractor to the world. Our goal is to help millions of people.

Yes. Okay.

[laughs] Is that it?

Let's see. Stop.

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